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Turks, Qataris and Saudis Lost Most of Their Cards and Are Now Left with Aleppo
Battle Card
Global Research,
July 22, 2016
President
Bashar al-Assad gave interview to Cuba’s official state news agency Prensa
Latina in which he said the Turks, Qataris and Saudis lost most of their
cards on the battlefields in Syria and that Aleppo battle
is their last card, affirming that there is strong harmony
between Syria and Latin America, especially Cuba, on the political and
historical levels and that hard work is needed in order to invigorate the
different sectors of this relation.
The following
is the full text of the interview:
Question
1: Mr. President, thanks for giving Prensa Latina this
historic opportunity of conveying your point of view to the rest of the world
about the reality in Syria, because as you know, there is a lot of
misinformation out there about your country, about the foreign aggression that
is taking place against this beautiful country.
Mr. President,
how would you evaluate the current military situation of the external
aggression against Syria, and what are the main challenges of Syrian forces on
the ground to fight anti-government groups? If it is possible, we would like to
know your opinion about the battles or combats in Aleppo, in Homs.
Aleppo battle
is the last card for the Turks, Qataris and Saudis
President
Assad: Of course, there was a lot of support to the
terrorists from around the world. We have more than one hundred nationalities
participating in the aggression against Syria with the support of certain
countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar with their money and Turkey with the
logistical support, and of course with the endorsement and supervision of the
Western countries, mainly the United States, France, and the UK, and some other
allies. But since the Russians decided to intervene in supporting legally the
Syrian Army in fighting the terrorists in Syria, mainly al-Nusra and ISIS and
some other affiliated groups, the scales have been tipped against those
terrorists, and the Syrian Army has made many advances in different areas in
Syria. And we are still moving forward, and the Syrian Army is determined to
destroy and to defeat those terrorists. You mentioned Homs and Aleppo. Of
course, the situation in Homs, since the terrorists left Homs more than a year
ago, the situation has been much, much better, more stable. You have some
suburbs of the city which were infiltrated by terrorists. Now there is a
process of reconciliation in those areas in which either the terrorists give up
their armaments and go back to their normal life with amnesty from the
government, or they can leave Homs to any other place within Syria, like what
happened more than a year ago in the center of the city.
For Aleppo it
is a different situation, because the Turks and their allies like the Saudis
and Qataris lost most of their cards on the battlefields in Syria, so the last
card for them, especially for Erdogan, is Aleppo. That is why he worked hard
with the Saudis to send as much as they can of the terrorists – the estimation
is more than 5,000 terrorists – to Aleppo.
Question
2: Through the Turkish borders?
President
Assad: Yes, from Turkey to Aleppo, during the last two
months, in order to recapture the city of Aleppo, and that didn’t work.
Actually, our army has been making advancement in Aleppo and the suburbs of
Aleppo in order to encircle the terrorists, then, let’s say, either to
negotiate their going back to their normal life as part of reconciliation, or for
the terrorists to leave the city of Aleppo, or to be defeated. There’s no other
solution.
Question
3: Thank you, thank you very much. Mr. President, which
are the priorities of the Syrian Army in the confrontation with the terrorist
groups? And we’re particularly interested, because in Cuba we had something
similar in the past, in the role of the popular defense groups; what is the
role that the popular defense groups are playing in the theater of operations?
Syrian army’s
priority is to fight al-Qaeda-linked organizations of ISIS, al-Nusra, Ahrar
al-Cham and Jaish al-Islam
President
Assad: The priority of the Syrian Army, first of all, is to
fight ISIS and al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Cham and Jaish al-Islam. These four
organizations are directly linked to Al Qaeda through the ideology; they have
the same ideology, they are Islamic extremist groups who want to kill anyone
who doesn’t look or doesn’t feel or behave like them. But regarding what you
called the popular militia groups, actually, at the beginning of the war, the
terrorists started an unconventional war against our army, and our army is a
traditional army, like any other army in the world, so the support of those
popular defence groups was very important in order to defeat the terrorists in
an unconventional way. That was very helpful to the Syrian Army, because those
fighters, those national fighters, they fight in their regions, in their
cities, in their villages, so they know the area very well, they know the
region very well, I mean the pathways, the terrain, let’s say, very well. So,
they can be very huge assets for the Syrian Army. That is their role.
Question
4: Mr. President, how does the resistance of the Syrian
people take place in the economic front to foreign aggression, I mean the
economy, and please, what is your opinion on which sectors of the Syrian
economy have remained functioning despite the war, economic blockade, looting,
and so forth?
President
Assad: Actually, the war on Syria is a full-blown war; it
is not only supporting terrorists. They support the terrorists, and at the same
time they launched a political war against Syria on the international level,
and the third front was the economic front, in which they dictate to their
terrorists, to their surrogate mercenaries, to start destroying the
infrastructure in Syria that helped the economy and the daily needs of the
Syrian citizens.
At the same
time, they started an embargo directly on the borders of Syria through the
terrorists and abroad through the banking systems around the world. In spite of
that, the Syrian people were determined to live as much normal life as they
can. That prompted many Syrian businessmen or the owners of, let’s say, the
industry, which is mainly medium and small industry, to move from the conflict
areas and unstable areas toward more stable areas, on a smaller scale of
business, in order to survive and to keep the economy running and to keep the
needs of the Syrian people available. So, in that regard, most of the sectors
are still working. For example, the pharmaceutical sector is still working in
more than 60% of its capacity, which is very important, helpful, and very
supportive to our economy in such circumstances. And I think now we are doing
our best in order to re-expand the base of the economy in spite of the
situation, especially after the Syrian Army made many advancements in different
areas.
Question
5: Mr. President, let’s talk a little bit about the
international environment, please give me your opinion about the role of the
United Nations in the Syrian conflict, the attempts of Washington and its
allies to impose their will on the Security Council and in the Geneva peace
talks.
So far, there
is no UN role in the Syrian conflict; there is only Russian and American
dialogue
President
Assad: Talking about the role of the United Nations or
Security Council could be illusive, because actually the United Nations is now
an American arm, where they can use it the way they want, they can impose their
double standards on it instead of the Charter. They can use it like any other
institution within the American administration. Without some Russian and
Chinese stances in certain issues, it would be a full American institution. So,
the Russian and Chinese role has made some balance within these institutions,
mainly regarding the Syrian issue during the last five years. But if you want
to talk about their role through their mediators or their envoys, like recently
de Mistura, and before that Kofi Annan, and in between Brahimi, and so on.
Let’s say that those mediators are not independent; they reflect either the
pressure from the Western countries, or sometimes the dialogue between the main
powers, mainly Russia and the United States. So, they’re not independent, so
you cannot talk about the role of the United Nations; it is a reflection of
that balance. That is why so far, there is no United Nations role in the Syrian
conflict; there is only Russian and American dialogue, and we know that the
Russians are working hard and seriously and genuinely in order to defeat the
terrorists, while the Americans always play games in order to use the
terrorists, not to defeat them.
Question
6: Mr. President, how do you see at the present time
the coexistence among Syrian ethnic and religious groups against this foreign
intervention? How do they contribute or not in this regard?
President
Assad: The most important thing about this harmony between
the different spectrums of the Syrian fabric, is that it is genuine, because
that has been built up through the history, through centuries, so for such a
conflict, it cannot destroy that social fabric. That is why if you go around
and visit different areas under the control of the government, you will see all
the colors of the Syrian society living with each other.
Intervention: I
saw it in Damascus.
President
Assad: Exactly. And I would say, I would add to this, that
during the conflict, this harmony has become much better and stronger, and this
is not rhetoric; actually, this is reality, for different reasons, because this
conflict is a lesson. This diversity that you have, it is either to be a
richness to your country, or a problem. There’s no something in the middle. So,
the people learned that we need to work more on this harmony, because the first
rhetoric used by the terrorists and by their allies in the region and in the
West regarding the Syrian conflict at the very beginning was sectarian
rhetoric. They wanted people to divide in order to have conflict with each
other, to stoke the fire within Syria, and it didn’t work. And the Syrians
learned that lesson, that we had harmony; we had had harmony before the
conflict, in the normal times, but we have to work more in order to make it
much stronger.
So, I can say
without any exaggeration that the situation regarding this part is good. In spite
of that, I would say the areas under the control of the terrorists – and as you
know those terrorists are mainly extremist groups affiliated to Al Qaeda – in
which they worked very hard in order to indoctrinate the young generation with
their dark ideology, and they succeeded in some areas, this dark ideology with
the killing and beheading and all these horrible practices. With the time, it
is going to be more difficult to deal with this new generation of young people
who have been indoctrinated with Al Qaeda and Wahabi doctrine and ideology. So
this is the only danger that we are going to face regarding our society,
harmony, and coexistence that you just mentioned.
Question
7: Mr. President, I would like to go again to the
international arena. What is in your opinion the role of the U.S.-led
international coalition in relation to the groups that operate in northern
Syria, in particular regarding the Kurds group. I mean the bombing of the
American airplanes and the coalition in the northern part of the country. What
to do you think about that?
President
Assad: You know, traditionally, the American
administrations, when they had relations with any group or community in any
country, it is not for the sake of the country, it is not for the interest of
the people; it is for the agenda of the United States. So, that is what we have
to ask ourselves: why would the Americans support any group in Syria? Not for
Syria. They must have their agenda, and the American agenda has always been
divisive in any country. They don’t work to unite the people; they work to make
division between the different kinds of people. Sometimes they choose a
sectarian group, sometimes they choose an ethnic group in order to support them
against other ethnicities or to push them in a way that takes them far from the
rest of the society. This is their agenda. So, it is very clear that this
American support is not related to ISIS, it is not related to al-Nusra, it is
not related to fighting terrorism, because since the beginning of the American
intervention, ISIS was expanding, not shrinking. It has only started to shrink
when the Russian support to the Syrian Army took place last September.
Question
8: Mr. President, what is your opinion about the recent
coup d’état in Turkey, and its impact on the current situation in that country,
and on the international level, and on the Syrian conflict also?
Coup in Turkey
is a reflection of instability and disturbances within the country
President
Assad: Such a coup d’état, we have to look at it as a
reflection of instability and disturbances within Turkey, mainly on the social
level. It could be political, it could be whatever, but at the end, the society
is the main issue when you have instability. Regardless of who is going to
govern Turkey, who is going to be the president, who is going to be the leader
of Turkey; this is an internal issue. We don’t interfere, we don’t make the
mistake to say that Erdogan should go or should stay. This is a Turkish issue,
and the Turkish people have to decide.
Erdogan used
the coup to implement his Muslim Brotherhood agenda
But what is
more important than the coup d’état itself, we have to look at the procedures
and the steps that are being taken by Erdogan and his coterie recently during
the last few days, when they started attacking the judges; they removed more
than 2,700 judges from their positions, more than 1,500 professors in the
universities, more than 15,000 employees in the education sector. What do the
universities and the judges and that civil society have to do with the coup
d’état? So, that reflects the bad intentions of Erdogan and his misconduct and
his real intentions toward what happened, because the investigation hasn’t been
finalized yet. How did they take the decision to remove all those? So, he used
the coup d’état in order to implement his own extremist agenda, Muslim
Brotherhood agenda, within Turkey, and that is dangerous for Turkey and for the
neighboring countries, including Syria.
Question
9: Mr. President, how do you evaluate the Syrian
government’s relations with the opposition inside Syria? What is the difference
between these opposition organizations and those based outside Syria?
“Oppositions”
outside Syria are traitors…the real opposition is the one based inside and
works for the Syrian people
President
Assad: We have good relations with the opposition within
Syria based on the national principles. Of course, they have their own
political agenda and they have their own beliefs, and we have our own agenda
and our beliefs, and the way we can make the dialogue either directly or
through the ballot boxes; it could be a different way of dialogue, which is the
situation in every country. But we cannot compare them with the other
oppositions outside Syria, because the word “opposition” means to resort to
peaceful means, not to support terrorists, and not to be formed outside your
country, and to have grassroots, to have real grassroots made of Syrian people.
You cannot have your grassroots be the foreign ministry in the UK, France or
the intelligence in Qatar and Saudi Arabia and the United States. This is not
opposition, this is called, in that case, you are called a traitor. So, they
call them oppositions, we call them traitors. The real opposition is the one
that works for the Syrian people and is based in Syria and its agenda derived
its vision from the Syrian people and the Syrian interests.
Question
10: Mr. President, how do you evaluate the insistence of
the U.S. and its allies that you leave power in addition to the campaign to
distort the image of your government? I mean, in the foreign environment. How
do you see that insistence from them that you leave power?
President
Assad: Regarding their wish for me to leave power, they
have been talking about this for the last five years, and we never responded
even with a statement. We never cared about them. Actually, this is a Syrian
issue; only the Syrian people can say who should come and go, who should stay
in his position, who should leave, and the West knows our position very well
regarding this. So, we don’t care and don’t have to waste our time with their
rhetoric. I am here because of the support of the Syrian people. Without that,
I wouldn’t be here. That is very simple.
It is part of
the American politics to demonize presidents
About how they
defame, or try to demonize certain presidents, this is the American way, at
least since the second World War, since they substituted British colonization
in this region, and maybe in the world, the American administrations and the
American politicians haven’t said a single honest word regarding anything. They
always lie. And as time goes by, they are becoming more inveterate liars, so
this is part of their politics. So, to demonize me is like how they tried to
demonize President Putin during the last two years and they did the same with
the leader Castro during the last five and six decades. This is their way. So,
we have to know that this is the American way. We don’t have to worry about it.
The most important thing is to have good reputation among your own people. That
is what we have to worry about.
Question
11: Mr. President, what is your opinion on Syria’s
relation with Latin America, particularly the historical links with Cuba
President
Assad: In spite of the long distance between Syria and
Latin America, we are always surprised how much the people in Latin America,
not only the politicians, know about this region. I think this has many
reasons, but one of them is the historical similarities and commonalities
between our region, between Syria and Latin America. Latin America was under
direct occupation for long time ago but after that it was under the occupation
of the American companies, and the American coup d’états and the American
intervention.
Intervention:
Yes, a lot of them.
Latin America
People understand that the war in Syria is about independence…there is
strong harmony between Syria and Latin America, especially Cuba
President
Assad: So, they know what is the meaning of being independent
or not to be independent. They understand that the war in Syria is about
independence. But the most important thing is the role of Cuba. Cuba was the
spearhead of the independence movement within Latin America and Fidel Castro
was the iconic figure in that regard. So, on the political level and the
knowledge level, there is a strong harmony between Syria and Latin America,
especially Cuba. But I do not think we work enough to improve the other part of
the relation; to be on the same level mainly on the educational and the
economic level. That was my ambition before the crisis and that is why I
visited Latin America, Cuba, Venezuela, Argentine and Brazil, in order to
invigorate this relation. Then, we had this conflict started and it was a big
obstacle to do anything in that regard, but I think that we have not to
restrain the relation on the historical and the political levels. That is not
enough. You have so many other sectors, people should know more about each
other. The long distance could be an obstacle, but it shouldn’t because we have
strong relations with the rest of the world, east and west. So, it is not an
obstacle in these days. So, I think if we overcome this crisis and this war, we
should work harder in order to invigorate the different sectors of this
relation with Latin America and especially with Cuba.
Question
12: Mr. President, do you have an expectation for… I
mean would you tell me your opinion about the electoral process in the United
States mainly for the president? Now, we have two candidates; the Republican
one is Mr. Donald Trump and the Democratic one is Mrs. Hillary Clinton; and we
know her very well, but what is your opinion about this process, about the
result of this process and how it could impact the conflict here, in the war in
Syria?
No US
president in the near future will come to make dramatic change in the
politics of the United States
President
Assad: We resumed our relation with the United States in
1974. Now, it has been 42 years since then and we witnessed many American
presidents in different situations and the lesson that we have learned is that
no one should bet on any American president, that is the most important thing.
So, it is not about the name. They have institutions, they have their own
agenda and every president should come to implement that agenda in his own way,
but at the end he has to implement that agenda.
All of them have militaristic agendas, and the only difference is the way. One
of them sends his army like Bush and the other one sends mercenaries and
proxies like Obama, but all of them have to implement this agenda. So, I do not
believe that the president is allowed completely to fulfill his own political
convictions in the United States, he has to obey the institutions and the
lobbies, and the lobbies have not changed and the institutions’ agenda has not
changed. So, no president in the near future will come to make a serious and
dramatic change regarding the politics of the United States.
Question
13: Mr. President, one final question: what message would
you send using this interview with Prensa Latina to the governments and people
of Latin America, the Caribbean, and also why not the American people, about
the importance of supporting Syria against terrorism?
Message to
Latin America: We have to keep our independence as the US will
not stop trying to topple every independent government
President
Assad: Latin America is a very good and important example
to the world about how the people and their governments regain their
independence. They are the backyard of the United States as the United States
sees, but this backyard was used by the United States to play its own games, to
implement its own agenda and the people in Latin America sacrificed a lot in
order to regain their independence and everybody knows that.
After
regaining their independence, those countries moved from being developing
countries, or sometimes under-developed countries, to be developed countries.
So, independence is a very important thing and it is very dear for every Latin
American citizen. We think they have to keep this independence because the
United States will not stop trying to topple every independent government,
every government that reflects the vast majority of the people in every country
in Latin America.
And again, Cuba knows this, knows what I am talking about more than any other
one in the world; you suffered more than anyone from the American attempts and
you succeeded in withstanding all these attempts during the last sixty years or
more just because the government reflected the Cuban people.
So, holding
strongly to this independence, I think, is the crucial thing, the most
important thing for the future of Latin America. Regarding Syria, we can say
that Syria is paying the price of its independence because we never worked
against the United States; we never worked against France or the UK. We always
try to have good relations with the West.
But their problem is that they do not accept any independent country and I
think this is same for Cuba. You never tried to do any harm to the American
people but they do not accept you as an independent country. The same is true
for other countries in Latin America and that’s why you always have coup
d’états mainly between the sixties and the seventies.
So, I think
preserving the independence of a certain country is not only an isolated case;
if I want to be independent, I have to support the independence in the rest of
the world. So, the independence anywhere in the world, including Latin America,
will support my independence. If I am alone, I will be weak. Supporting Syria
will be mainly in the international arena. There are many international
organizations, mainly the United Nation, in spite of its impotence, but at the
end, their support could play a vital role in supporting Syria and, of course,
the Security Council; it depends on who is going to be the temporary member in
the Security Council, and any other organization supporting Syria will be very
important.
Question
14: Mr. President, I know that you are a very busy
person, that is why I appreciate very much your time that you have dedicated to
Prensa Latina interview in this moment. I hope this would not be the last
interview that we have with you.
President
Assad: You are welcome anytime.
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